We in Hell have had it with Ron Paul. If you talk like the far left, take positions of the far left, and slander your nation at every turn, guess what, you aren’t a Republican, and you definitely aren’t a conservative.
Today, the man who called the United States an empire in 2004, had this to say about the Bhutto assassination:
We’ve supported Musharraf and it’s created civil strife over there. If it’s al Qaeda that did this, the Al Qaeda resents the fact that we support military dictators, just as they resented us supporting a dictator in Saudi Arabia. And they resented that at one time we supported Saddam Hussein. It’s just a perfect example of how interventionist foreign policy drags us in. And I’m just frightened that we’re going to be dragged into another civil war over there because we’re in the middle of that already. (You can listen to more here).
We in Hell would like to point out a few problems with Paul’s statement above.
American support of Musharraf only came after 9/11, when we needed allies to help fight the Taliban. You know, the people who supported the guys who attacked America on September 11, 2001? American support for Musharraf has neither created or increased “civil strife” in Pakistan. It has always been a tribal, fractured, and tumultuous nation throughout its history. Of course, maybe if Paul wasn’t such an isolationist, he might have some basic grasp of the history of other cultures.
Next, Paul says that al Qaeda resents the fact that “we support military dictators.” We in Hell just thought that it was the clueless left that resented that fact the U.S. often supports dictators when it is in the national interest. But nonetheless, maybe if Paul didn’t have his head buried in the sands of isolation, he might note that al Qaeda calls for the creation of the caliphate, where only Muslim men would have rights. For everyone else, living under strict Islamic law might seem a whole lot worse than any dictatorship.
Moving on, We in Hell didn’t know Saudi Arabia was a dictatorship. Saudi Arabia might be repressive, but it isn’t a dictatorship. Once again, if Paul wasn’t purposefully illiterate about world affairs, he might have called it a kingdom…. And just in case Paul didn’t know, Saudi Arabia was a kingdom long before the United States took an interest in it.
And as for Al-Qaeda being incensed by American support for Saddam Hussein, what in the Hell is he talking about? Al-Qaeda turned anti-America during the first Gulf War, you know the war where the U.S. was fighting Saddam Hussein? We in Hell only thought a Democrat could say something so profoundly ignorant. Guess we were wrong.
The blame America first syndrome is a symptom of a mindset that views America as fundamentally immoral. Paul says that it is our actions that cause the Islamists to hate us. And of course the problem with that line of thinking is that it ignores the ideology of our enemies who would attack the United States and our interests whether we are active abroad or not. The “Fortress America” position of Paul is extremely dangerous in the 21st century when our imperialist Islamic enemies have accesses to nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons, and the missiles to deliver them. Paul ignores that fact that the Islamists hate “us” because we are Christian, we are democratic, we are free, we are secular, we are capitalists, we are successful…. It has nothing to do with our foreign policy. Whether we gave a dime to Israel or not, Al-Qaeda would have still attacked the U.S. on 9/11.
Then again, maybe Paul would think that it was Jefferson’s fault that the Barbary Pirates attacked our shipping.
On international affairs, Paul is no different than any leftist. The root cause, to him, of all the world’s ills is the United States. And one can only hold that view if one thinks that the U.S. is a fundamentally flawed nation, morally bankrupt, malicious, and malevolent.
We in Hell are thankful Paul doesn’t run a battered women’s clinic, because the first question he’d ask, would be, “What did you do to your husband to make him so mad that he hit you?”
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By the way, what credentials do you have in foreign policy? I find it odd that many who are considered experts and are respected in study of global Terrorism have joined Ron Paul, such as Robert Pape. Robert Pape states, uncategorically, that Ron Pauls is absolutely correct in his assessment of our foreign policy.
Ron Paul has simply stated what should be obvious to all of us: that our government has made these same mistakes in the past and is blinded to believe that making them again will not have the same consequences as they did before. Today, with over 70% of the Pakistani people opposing Musharraf, the United States Government is once again throwing its support to another “Shah” and the results will be similar as with Iran. The Pakistanis were the most faithful supporters of the Taliban, by the way. In fact, few people realize that even the United States government gave a great deal of support to the Taliban, both directly and indirectly, during the years and months prior to 9/11 in order to secure pipelines within Afghanistan. I dare say that some of that support made its way to a relatively unknown group called al Qaeda. However, before they were known as al Qaeda, they were known as the MAK, which with our government’s wisdom received support and were allowed to open over 30 offices in the United States during the 80s and 90s. In fact, many of the followers of the MAK were given extensive training in our country and later used that training against us.
Now, the trouble is that someone with that same degree of wisdom is not supplying training, weapons and support to FATAH in Palestine. The same kind of stupid mistakes that were made with the MAK are now being made with FATAH. Get this: our government is now training Terrorists in Counter-Terrorism. The major problem with this latest version of foreign intervention is that many within FATAH are also members of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade who are a notorious terrorist organization, yet we continue on our merry road to another case of trusting those who cannot be trusted.
Ron Paul has pointed out that in many cases around the world that we are not only supporting both sides of many conflicts, but supplying both sides of many conflicts with weapons, Intel, training and finances. We are painting ourselves into a number of corners and we just let those guys in Washington hold the brush and the paint to continue down a path that has been shown to be not only dangerous, but deadly in its consequences. We have elected relative idiots and they have proved themselves over and over again for the last 100 years.
Concerning the region of the Middle East, few people realize that we have, in one way or another, intervened in that region since the end of WWI; in fact, we have intervened in the affairs of Iraq for the last 87 years. In the last 110 years we have intervened in the affairs of over 200 countries and what has it gotten us? Just look at your world and see just how successful this foreign policy has actually been. In fact, if you look at the benefits the United States has received from this policy you will be very, very hard pressed to single out a success that has benefited this country or its people. Yet, we continue down this feckless road.
In Afghanistan, we have via an “election” installed a government that is not only lead by a Pasthun Tribal member, but is filled with Pasthun Tribal members. The Pasthun Tribe is the most hated group of people in all of Afghanistan and yet we have, in our wisdom, chosen to place them over a country that we neither understand culturally nor politically. We are, once again, making massive mistakes similar to those made by Great Britain and later the Soviet Union in that country.
We have, by our actions, caused the very thing we said we wished to avoid, particularly in Iraq. Iraq is now a splintered country where ethnic groups, religious sects and tribal feuds abound. Our invasion of Iraq did exactly what we said we were fighting against, it has created a far more extreme Islamic regime, fractured the country and given Iran far more influence in the region. The new government in Iraq is far closer to Islamic extremism then would have ever been possible under Saddam. Women, for instance, are being subjected for a growing pressure to adhere to strict Islamic laws. America, through its actions, in effect, has drawn the Veil down upon the women of Iraq. The remaining Christians and Jews have been effectively driven out by the very real threat of death. Over 4 Million have been forced into exile in neighboring countries, many of which are known for far more extremist views than Iraq ever was and the influence of those cultures can only prove substantial on those refugees.
As for your blatantly dumb statement regarding the Saudi Kingdom not being a dictatorship…well, I don’t know a better definition of dictatorship then the lack of political, individual and religious freedom found within the Kingdom. Today, for instance, the edict that the color RED was banned during this month because of the “romantic nature” of the color and its association with Valentines Day. Oppressive, of course not, what gave you that idea. You are once again totally mistaken in your comment that Saudi Arabia was a kingdom long before the U.S. took an interest in it. Actually, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia was founded in 1932, but our government and several corporate interests, along with the British were there since the end of WWI. Please, get your facts right if you intend on slamming someone for not having their own right.
Well, there is no need to go any farther, needless to say that your entire commentary is filled with half-truths, factual mistakes and blatant falsehoods. Try to do better the next time you intend on pumping out your anti-Paul propaganda, will ya.
While we have been conditioned that it is patriotic to accept a history that portrays our country in the best light possible, the real patriotism however, is looking at our history honestly and even critically, by doing so we will learn from those lessons, both from the successes and the failures it provides. It is shameful, and perhaps even dangerous, when we allow our history to be colored, misrepresented or manipulated to support ideologies, agendas, or causes. It is an absolute mistake to use patriotism as a factor in convincing the American People to choose a spirit of aggression and intolerance in policy making over than the traditional values found within our Constitution and the Founding Documents. If we are to profit from the errors of the last century in particular, then we would come away from our history lesson with a very clear understanding that the United States has strayed extremely far from its foundation and it has costs us dearly.
In viewing the history of the United States during the Twentieth Century, we can quickly see that it was a century characterized by numerous provocations and interventions; rarely did we contribute to widespread stabilization, but a generalized destabilization within nations and regions of the world. We rarely consider that our popular history seems to be written for our consumption, portraying a very righteous and amicable nation that has sought only justice for the nations of the world, a view that is totally contrary to the facts of history. It is impossible for us to justify our national aggression by stating it is a consistent philosophy while claiming to maintain a peaceful influence in the world. Such aggression is an anomaly of our traditional American character. Indeed, such aggressive intervention has proven to be a defect in our modern national character, one that is in a vital need of correction by returning to our foundational Constitutional philosophy.
In general, the American psyche, both politically and socially, has been distorted to such a degree that it now reveals a lack of tolerance and respect for the rights of other nations, all the while promoting our own version of self-righteousness wrapped up in a façade of Red, White and Blue. Such distortions are far from the reality of Patriotism upon which this nation was founded. We cannot expunge our own national history through palpable evasions or distortions of the truth while maintaining that by doing so we are defending our nation. Nor can we claim to uphold our patriotism by such contortions in our history; such mental gymnastics are little more than a contradiction to all reason and indeed to the meaning of patriotism itself. Until we openly confess our political sins of the past it is doubtful that we can prevent their repetition in the future.
Our national militarism naturally lends itself to national expansionism and, in ways we rarely consider, to that of the glorification of executive monarchism. We have seen the Machiavellian philosophy take root in this country over the past 40 years, a philosophy that teaches that the State and its ability to render its power unabated is the real source of all happiness and security. It feeds upon the doctrinal plea that by strengthening the reach of the State it can, through the medium of militarism, provide for the necessary security of the People by spreading its particular ideological agenda and making the world safe for democracy. That philosophy however, ignores the primary source of our national security by subjecting our nation to the consequential dangers that such militaristic interventions entail.
The most important factor, one that is often overlooked in this Machiavellian ideology, is that the greatest source of national defense can be found by remaining entanglement free. This Machiavellian indoctrination over the last 109 years has effectively been engrained, not only in the mind of the political apparatus, but also in the minds of the People to the point that the government has been granted an unlimited license to proceed without the restraint of the People’s consent. I feel that eventually reality will force a rejection of the Machiavellian ideology and the maxims that have blinded our national conscience to the point that we can no longer rationally see the options provided to us by the wisdom of the Founders. The Machiavellian Shibboleth should be considered an obsolete doctrine, dangerous in its application and perverse in the tenets of Jingoism that now dominates this current Administration and grips large portions of the American attitude. We must disavow such national war fetishes and the demands of imperialistic traits that not only fail to deliver real security but actually decreases our national safety.
In our seemingly persistent denial of our own imperialism, we are simply being untrue to ourselves and through such denials we turn our backs upon those tenets that our Founding Statesmen ascribed, for our benefit, to this Great Nation of Liberty and Justice. When our politicians lay claim to a peaceful disposition while promoting the cry for intervention, they not only betray our national conscience, but deceive the People with such contradictions of traditional national principles.
Our history has been filled with threats, threats to our way of life, threats to our very existence and while we must be diligent in meeting all direct and immediate threats with a strong rational response, we should avoid the tendency to face such issues with a charge of reactionary emotionalism. Reactionary decision-making leads to little in the way of constructive measures and usually only opens us up to an increase of potentially dangerous threats. In our nature we are afforded the ability to either look at our actions based upon reason or based upon fear. Upon reason, we shall always find a sense of rational decisions combined with responsible actions that ultimately benefit us as individuals and as a nation however, if we are given over to irrational fears then our actions risk betraying our overall security through reckless actions both domestically and on the foreign stage. We would do well to consider that our actions are connected to events from times past and will always tie future consequences to the present.
A policy of interventionism is usually accompanied by a swell of national pride, promoted, as it were, by the State and its corporate sponsors, who are always the beneficiaries of such polices. It is rarely considered that a poor and potentially dangerous doctrine or policy, when consistently applied, will eventually embed itself deeply into the national character and influence that character in ways that will ultimately decrease all periphery vision, giving rise to unreasonable fears and trepidations that tend to blind us to other possible considerations. There has never, in all our history, been such a poorly defined doctrine as that we currently are witnessing with regards to our foreign policy. Its broad application has no real focal point, no perceivable goals and few effectual results that can be declared as successful in providing this country actual defense. The proverbial “can of worms” has been opened regarding our foreign policy and with that open “can” the “night crawlers” are finding their way into our domestic policies, creeping into areas that have always been held as sacrosanct to our traditional Constitutional values.
The common thread to all threats, throughout our history, has been the utilization of the fear, and the use of that fear is exploited by the government to increase its own grasp of domestic powers or to expand its global reach. Militarism is developed and defined specifically by tyrannical aspects within governments to support their own arbitrary authority and by designing such predatory ambitions the scope of government power is extended, usually pressed upon weak and relatively defenseless nations that have no real defense against facing such overwhelming force. The primary driving ambition is, besides power, the control over vastly rich resources within certain regions. These resources are touted as essential to our national security interests and the rights of another nations’ sovereignty appear to be rarely enough deter our government push toward intervention to pursue such national interests.
Interventionist militarism has always promoted and utilized the development of pseudo-patriotism in the hearts and minds of the people to the point that they believe the push of military might is not only necessary, but, more times than not, it is portrayed as a noble cause. Rarely is there the consideration that such actions are not only used to maintain and grow the institutions of militarism, but that they are usually inimical to our own security. Of course, it is always in the interests of the Militarists to win the conflict, but even when a conflict is won the consequences of even victory are rarely considered.
The entry of America into World War I is a perfect example of the effects of militarism on a country. Prior to our entry, both sides of the conflict had almost exhausted themselves to the point of suing for peace, but with the entry of America the war was extended and the results of the war changed the power-structure around the world. Additionally, our entry and the victory that followed set the stage for several events that not only promoted a domestic extension of our government’s authority, but also created events that would ultimately lead to the rise of Hitler and therefore WWII. Had America not entered WWI, both sides of the conflict would have settled for peace, Germany would have never faced the severe and shameful terms of the Treaty of Versailles. The economic drain of ruining reparations on Germany and the decades of national impotency would later give rise to the extremism of National Socialism and the disaster of WWII. This government rarely appears to take into consideration the consequences of its actions, its policies, and its interventions, if it would then not only would the world be a very different place, but our country would be a vastly different one then we see today. It would be far more secure, far more prosperous and far more respected.
Perhaps one of the most damaging results of our entry into the WWI was on the domestic front. The government created a truly massive propaganda machine called the CPI [Committee on Public Information] for the sole purpose of beating the drums of war, whipping the American public into an almost total acceptance of militaristic interventionism and repression of all dissent contrary to the war effort.
Those propaganda methods were extremely effective and they are still employed today by the government when seeking support for its militaristic agenda. The primary method utilized was fear and hate; fear of the enemy combined with hate, all epitomized by an inordinate demonization. The methods of the CPI portrayed Germans as the most dangerous enemy this country had ever faced, a threat to our way of life, depraved, brutal barbarians, intent of the destruction of our democracy and all freedom loving people around the world. Stories of atrocities and potential atrocities were common-place; the intent was to stimulate a national self-righteousness and complete indignation toward the enemy, it was very effective and produced the desired results within the minds of the people thereby making them pliable to the militaristic cause of the government. The CPI propaganda arm of the government had no qualms about the distortion of the truth or outright subversion of the truth and blatant lies utilized for the greater good of the cause and the expansion of American military might.
“So great are the psychological resistances to war in modern nations that every war must appear to be a war of defense against a menacing, murderous aggressor. There must be no ambiguity about which the public is to hate. A handy rule for arousing hate, is, if at first they do not enrage, use an atrocity. It has been employed with unvarying success in every conflict known to man.” Lasswell-CPI
Obviously, it worked so well that it has continued to be used to this day. It is not hard to find the exact wording today as was utilized during WWI and WWII in describing the enemy and the potential extreme threat that enemy represents to our way of life. It also appears that the American people remain equally as sensitive to such methods today as they were nearly 100 years ago during the Wilson Administration. In such efforts, the government needs hatred to fuel its war machine and it is extremely skilled in presentations crafted to elicit those darker emotions among the People, all for the cause, the government’s cause, whether justified or not.
After WWI, the CPI remained a very useful tool of the government, but instead of war, it used the same methods against potential political opposition, to enhance factions and special interest that government sought partnerships with in order to gain a far more powerful position on the domestic front. It became government policy to use such tools to mold American public opinion to fit the views and requirements of the State.
The use of Militarism, and the propaganda tools used to support it, is contrary to the goals once espoused by this country and the traditions upon which it was founded. It is impossible for the traditional institutions of this country to continue if such tactics continue to influence and direct public opinion based upon certain agendas which may not always be exposed to the general public but are sold to them as an absolute necessity for our survival as a nation when in fact that may not be the case. Unless we are willing to not only maintain our Rights and defend our Liberties, we will lose them to a systematic distortion of truth created to generate a particular agenda contrary to our real national interests and the traditional Constitutional form of government.
“The abuse of official powers and thirst for dishonest gain are now so common that they cease to shock.”—Edward Bates-Lincoln’s Attorney General.
Of course, along with Militarism abroad comes an increase of political repression at home. Any government that gravitates toward Militarism tends to also move toward a Police State, especially when there is the advantage of an external threat or a potential internal threat. The two go hand-in-hand and rarely can Militarism be found without the backing of a degree of domestic oppression. It is also not unusual within such a mentality of such extreme views that those who promote it are ultimately gripped with the same fear it seeks to propagate. We have seen the shift in this country since the events of 9/11; it has been a drastic move toward dangerously irrational reactionary thought.
If there is one thing that might wake this people up to the total disaster that the Machiavellian Jingoism has reeked upon this country is when its Fiat Monetary System reaches its Maximum Possible Life-Span. Few have every heard of the Terminal Point of Fiat Systems, but history and mathematics bears out the fact that such systems have a definite life-span. The collapse of the Fiat Monetary System will mean an end to the empire, indeed to our society as we know it, but few want to listen, few want to heed the warnings of the past.
Since every single Federal Reserve Note must be borroweed in order to come into existence the underlying foundation of debt multiplies exponentially and thus becomes irreversible. Since the Fiat Economy depends upon the expansion of credit, thus debt, the circulation of the money supply is proportional to the underlying debt. Eventually, the debt, both principle and interest obligations, will demand far more in service than the economy can adequately produce and remain viable. We are already witnessing, and have been for several years, the Fiat Monetary System in the midst of its Maximum Practical Life-Span. At one time the economy could sustain substantial interest rate hikes and tolerate those hikes without showing a dislocation however, those days are over. The economy can no longer tolerate even minor increases in interest rates hikes, this is a sign of the burden of underlying debt placing major and unsustainable demands upon the economy itself.
Everything that we have placed our faith in regarding this government and the money it decrees through legal tender laws will suffer the same fate as the Fiat Money itself. All our investments, our pensions, 401ks, savings, our government bonds, government programs, government operations, everything depends on a Fiat Monetary System that will terminate and there is nothing this government nor the Federal Reserve can do to avert this disaster. The Federal Reserve can throw another band-aide on top of the band-aide it slapped on before, and nothing will stop this utter collapse from occuring because the system itself is rapidly approaching its terminal life-span where it is mathematically impossible for it to continue as a monetary system build upon debt.
The Warfare/Welfare State will end, but it will do so in the most chaotic way and cause untold suffering as it breaths its last breath. It is shameful that we have allowed those in power to bring this country to this point. If any fault is to be on the heads of the American People it is merely that they allowed themselves to be used, their Constitution to be abused, and their ignorance and greed to place blinders on their eyes.
That you need to write so much to defend such a little man says more than I could in a day.
Once again, for instance, he called Saudi Arabia a dictatorship. It isn’t. It is a kingdom with formal rules of succession. Yes it is repressive, but if he can’t get the form of government right….
Oh, and how do you explain Paul’s blatant support of those racist news letters?
You guys are on the fringe. Accept it and you will feel much better about always being on the outside looking in.
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