Just another “Socialist/Communist/Marxist/Fascist/Nazi Moron” for health care. Nice to see how we’re elevating the rhetoric in the final days of this question.
While not perfect, I tend to hold the non-partisan CBO numbers in higher esteem than those provided by those in wingnuttia. Conservatives/Republicans have demonstrated a basic inability to comprehend basic math (I remember how in the 1980 campaign the sainted Reagan promised that his tax cuts would balance the budget by 1983, and ended up tripling the nation’s debt). The CBO was pretty much on-target outlining the fiscal irresponsiblity of W’s initatives – $1.3 trillion lost revenue due to the tax cuts for the rich, and $400 billion in the short-term of losses for the unfunded Medicare Part D gift to big Pharma (I won’t even mention the treasure — and blood — lost due to Bush and Cheney’s lies about Iraq).
$138 billion over next decade in savings, and ten times that over the following decade. More savings if we had added a robust public option to provide competition to the private insurers, allowing for the importation of drugs and/or allowing the government to negotiate directly with big pharma (all opposed bitterly by conservatives – so much for their mantra celebrating the wonders of “competition” and “market forces”).
It’s not a perfect bill, but I would hold my noise and vote for it with the prospect of further initiatives further down the road (such as a new public option or expansion of Medicare). At the very least we’ll close the Medicare donut hole, reign in some of the more odious activities of the private insurers, and extend coverage to thirty million more of our fellow Americans.
I know that last bit drives a lot of the teabaggers crazy. I saw that video of those brown-shirts up in Columbus raging against that elderly man with Parkinson’s. Sounds like the “we’ve got ours, to hell with everyone else/let them eat cake” Social Darwinist conservatives aren’t going down without a fight.
At least the conservatives are consistent…they’ve opposed every movement for social progress (and been on the wrong side of history) over the last century. I still laugh everytime I think of that old Reagan record from the early 1960s warning against the passage of “socialist” Medicare. Future generations will no doubt do the same when they look back on the debate over the massive insurance industry subsidies dubbed “Socialist ObamaCare” by wingnuttia.
Hey, good idea about stripping the voting rights. Of course, it’s a double-edged sword. I hear that most Republicans are birthers and creationists… hehehehe!
Just another “Socialist/Communist/Marxist/Fascist/Nazi Moron” for health care. Nice to see how we’re elevating the rhetoric in the final days of this question.
While not perfect, I tend to hold the non-partisan CBO numbers in higher esteem than those provided by those in wingnuttia. Conservatives/Republicans have demonstrated a basic inability to comprehend basic math (I remember how in the 1980 campaign the sainted Reagan promised that his tax cuts would balance the budget by 1983, and ended up tripling the nation’s debt). The CBO was pretty much on-target outlining the fiscal irresponsiblity of W’s initatives – $1.3 trillion lost revenue due to the tax cuts for the rich, and $400 billion in the short-term of losses for the unfunded Medicare Part D gift to big Pharma (I won’t even mention the treasure — and blood — lost due to Bush and Cheney’s lies about Iraq).
$138 billion over next decade in savings, and ten times that over the following decade. More savings if we had added a robust public option to provide competition to the private insurers, allowing for the importation of drugs and/or allowing the government to negotiate directly with big pharma (all opposed bitterly by conservatives – so much for their mantra celebrating the wonders of “competition” and “market forces”).
It’s not a perfect bill, but I would hold my noise and vote for it with the prospect of further initiatives further down the road (such as a new public option or expansion of Medicare). At the very least we’ll close the Medicare donut hole, reign in some of the more odious activities of the private insurers, and extend coverage to thirty million more of our fellow Americans.
I know that last bit drives a lot of the teabaggers crazy. I saw that video of those brown-shirts up in Columbus raging against that elderly man with Parkinson’s. Sounds like the “we’ve got ours, to hell with everyone else/let them eat cake” Social Darwinist conservatives aren’t going down without a fight.
At least the conservatives are consistent…they’ve opposed every movement for social progress (and been on the wrong side of history) over the last century. I still laugh everytime I think of that old Reagan record from the early 1960s warning against the passage of “socialist” Medicare. Future generations will no doubt do the same when they look back on the debate over the massive insurance industry subsidies dubbed “Socialist ObamaCare” by wingnuttia.
Tim,
$138 billion over 10 years comes to what? $14 billion a year in deficit reduction.
Obama just ran a $223 billion deficit in February alone.
So that argument is a joke.
As far as nomeclature, I think communistic fit the left rather aptly.
By the way isn’t Medicare going broke?
What makes you think the government run this boondoggle any better?
Anyway , deem and pass will be struck down by the very court Obama slighted at The State of the Union.
Thank God he isnincompetent! : )
Hey, good idea about stripping the voting rights. Of course, it’s a double-edged sword. I hear that most Republicans are birthers and creationists… hehehehe!